and they claim love :)

i have been reading and getting emails about this on going debate between mohler and mclaren. it is amazing to me how much the "mohler camp" twists what brain has to say, and takes a great deal of his voice out of context. sure, i nkw brian is a big boy and can handle the heat - and most of us are and can do the same. yet what i find hurtful is that the "leaders" of the sbc are so mean spirited, so angry, so out of touch with the world around them that they are missing the opportunity to be involved in the conversation. it is their call, and they can be in or out - i would never tell them they "must be involved." let me give a few of the points i find that the mohler camp is missing the point on:

they claim we are "painfully reductionistic:" oh, if that were only the case, life would be so much easier. i know of no one in the emerging conversation that holds to a reductive view of the world - in fact, i would say that we see things in multi-layers and shades of many colors. to think that anything in this world can be simple or "one sided." - we do not hold to a simplistic "dualism" that says "yes or no."

we are seeking to redefine christianity for a new age: yup, i agree with that one, we are. but what is the difference between what we are doing and what luther did? what calvin did? what wesely did? what brown did? did they not "redefine christianty for a new age?" over the past, this "redefining" has been the cause of the birth of denominations - today, in our post-denominstional world, this "redefining" gives birth to expressions of the faith that are dynamic, exciting and meaningful to a new people.

we refuse to answer "the hard questions:" not at all, but the answers are just not to the liking of some. i am willing to answer any questions placed before me, but that does not mean you will like the answer.

we are unwilling to proclaim a truth: this on is so old, it's funny that they are sill on this - and it seems that no matter how we answer it, they are un happy - so, it is best lot answered :)

for me, i am of the mind that for the conversation to move forward, and to trul be emerging we need to truly and openly be able to quesion everything, and the "mohler camp" would rahter we just accept their views and never question. they would rather we just "accept things the way they are" and strive to "fit in" with what they offer - but i think to truly be emerging we need to examoke what we do, how we do it, and what we believe - we need to be willing to open and exmaine our methology, philosophy and theology - if not, we will never meet the hearts of those we claim we follow - it is easy to say we are radical, but it takes the courage to truly be radical.


for stan

i got this from our "contact us" from on ginkworld.net and felt it was important to post on the blog -

As you are undoubtedly aware, the death of Dr. Stanley J. Grenz is a significant loss to the theological community and far beyond. Alongside many good friends and colleagues around the world, Mars Hill Graduate School is paying tribute to his remarkable life and legacy by providing opportunity for people to view his memorial service online, and have an outlet to express in words their own loss and remembrances.

You are welcome to take advantage of the web link below to a video of his memorial service (recorded Sunday, March 20, 2005), as well as a link for reflection and conversation. Please distribute this information to those whom it would benefit and join us in celebrating the life and work of Dr. Grenz.

Should you have any questions or desire additional information, please contact Mars Hill Graduate School at 425.415.0505, or toll-free at 888.977.2002.

Link to Memorial Service
Link to Post Momments


a new one

i am not a big fan of "the white guy jesus." it is my own personal walk and questioning of a jew in the first centry with blond hair, blue eyes and great roman features. it might be your look, and you might like it - but i am not excited by the look. so, given that i am not a fan of here you go, i just created this new twist on sallman's view of jesus - hope you like it. i got inspired to "redo" the jesus we did already based on the pbs show "the face" - personaly, i like this look - but then again i did the graphic design. and if you like, right click to lift the picture - just let people know where you got it - more to come. i might even add a "jesus picture page" to ginkworld for those interested - oh, yea - please comment on if you like it or not.


the lose of a voice

i was surfing today, getting over a flu, and a great week at soularize, when i came upon the news that stan grenz had passed away - he left a mark on my walk, and was always willing to return emails. he will be missed, and he will always be remembered.

stan made an impact on my life when i read his book "postmodern primer." when i was starting ginkworld i asked if he would be willing to do "the seven questions" and he willing emailed me back and said yes. stan was always there to answer a question, drop a line, commment on a blog, and just be a friend. it's hard to think that he will not be here to answer questions - but i know he is in a great place, and that God has said, "welcome my good and faithful son."

stan, you are the man.


stop the landminds

jordon posted this, and is asking that we send it around - so, lets send it around. i think this is so very important - check this out


just back :)

hey all :) i just got back from soluraize and it was a blast. sorry some missed out. i will be posting more monday, after i sleep a bit :D well, talk with you soon.


i have some new "baller bands"

nike, via their amazing marketing department have launched a new "band" in the style of "livestrong" (my whole family has "livestrong" bands) - this band is the "baller band" and if designed to promote "pro basketball" qualities. but, unlike the livestrong band, which costs $1.00 and helps fight cancer, this band costs, on average, $4.00 and fights nothing that i have been able to find. here are a few bands i created for "pro-sport" people (both owners and players)



well, it is getting close - and i am getting in gear. we are looking forward to hooking into soularize this year - it will be nice to see some old frineds, and meet new ones - we are planing to make a "week" of it and have a good time in the area. i will strive to keep up blogging over the event, and fill you in on what's happening - but here are some cool things.

i will be facilating a lab on "Church’s Focus: Community vs. Corporation" in the living room on 3/10 - and it should be fun. my desire is to make it "not another lecture" but rather an interactive reality based on real issues. i would love to explore a ton of things, but i would like the group to develop the way the conversations move forward.

if you are unable to attend, you can now register for the webcast of the labs. it costs $9.95 to get hooked up to the tech stuff. with this, you will aslo be able to see and hear the speakers live.

i hope to see you there - and if you are there, introduce yourself to me and let's get a cup of coffee - or a beer :)


head leaves korn

i love korn - and i love the music, and now "head" (brian welch) has left korn - why? you ask. because he has accepted christ and desires to walk a christian life - and be a positive role modle for his daughter - which is very cool.

here is his site: link